Round 13: Fight Moves from Ring to Ethnic Media

New America Media, News Roundup, Elena Shore and Odette Keeley, Posted: Mar 22, 2008

Editor's Note: Manny Pacquiao's narrow victory over Juan Manuel Márquez ended the battle in the ring. But on the pages of Spanish-language and Filipino newspapers, the war of words rages.

SAN FRANCISCO -- A week after the historic boxing match in Las Vegas, there may be some Filipinos who still want Manny Pacquiao to run for public office in the Philippines and Mexicans still say Juan Manuel Márquez won.

Since Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao took the World Boxing Council Super Featherweight Title away from Mexican Juan Manuel Márquez in a split decision Saturday, March 15, the fight has continued in the Hispanic media – where the Mexican former world champion is telling all who will listen that he won the fight and wants a rematch. His fans say the boxer’s title was “stolen” from him.

But non-Mexicans were rooting for the Filipino, according to a report by La Opinión, so it was an “everyone against Mexico” feeling that swept across the coliseum when a mariachi sounded the battle cry for Márquez as he walked into the ring. (Pacquiao, meanwhile, was greeted by hip-hop music.)

The judges split the decision: Tom Miller (115-112) for Márquez, Duane Ford (115-112) for Pacquiao and Jerry Roth (114-113) for Pacquiao.

In an article entitled “Juan Manuel Márquez Was Robbed of the WBC Featherweight Title in Las Vegas,” Mexico City’s La Jornada newspaper reports that Márquez and his manager, Ignacio Beristáin, believe the fighter was robbed of his crown when the judges’ split decision favored Filipino Pacquiao.

“I know I won,” Márquez told La Jornada, “because not only did don Nacho tell me that, but also the people in Las Vegas and in Mexico.”

Readers of La Jornada’s online forum agreed, calling the judges’ verdict a “robbery,” saying that Marquez was the better fighter and even Pacquiao was surprised by the judges’ decision.

When AOL Latino blogger Mariano Cauteriz called Márquez a “cry baby,” his fans protested. Readers posted comments in defense of Márquez, arguing that he was robbed of his title and is right to complain.

Even before the controversial boxing match last weekend in Las Vegas, the fight between the Mexican and Filipino boxers had taken on a life of its own in the Filipino and Hispanic media.

Filipinos say the “People’s Champ” has managed to unify a politically fractured nation. With his triumph over Marquez in Saturday’s rematch, Manny Pacquiao is the first Filipino and Asian to win three world titles in three different weight classes.

For the past five years, the entire Philippines stops during his fights –- the usual bumper-to-bumper traffic in Manila’s congested streets and highways is miraculously absent; even churches and worship places are said to be noticeably empty.

ABS-CBN reported a day before the fight that the Philippine Army declared a seven-hour truce with insurgents, allowing both sides to watch the broadcast of the match.

“Pacquiao won carrying the Philippines on his shoulder,” proclaimed an article by Pasckie Pascua in the Philippine News.

Dubbed “The Pacman” by his fans, Manny Pacquiao told Philippine TV sportscaster Chino Trinidad: “The power and the heart made the difference. This fight was not only for my family but for the Filipino people as well. I said I was willing to risk my life for the sake of our country.”

Some of Manny’s fans still believe Pacquiao should run for public office in the Philippines. Pacquiao lost his bid for a seat in the Philippines’ Congress last May in his hometown in the Southern Philippines.

Pacquiao will return to a hero’s welcome in Manila soon, but many wonder if it will again be marred by politicking as officials attempt to bask in his limelight.

On Inquirer.net, Christine Avendano of the Philippine Daily Inquirer reports that President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has once again called Pacquiao a “hero who can unite us even in times of divisiveness and a national inspiration for winning the battles ahead.” Arroyo’s critics, however, Inquirer.net reports, are admonishing her to “learn from his (Pacquiao’s) gutsy performance against Marquez and not use Pacquiao’s latest victory to prop her record low popularity.”

Meanwhile, in an interview with La Jornada, Márquez attempted to bring his opponent down from the heroic stature he has taken on in the media. Márquez told La Jornada: "Pacquiao is not the killer of Mexicans, because he wasn’t able to do that with me, nor is he the superstar that some people with their pens try to make him out to be."

Pacquiao says he is open to a rematch fight with Marquez, but only in a higher weight division. Márquez is calling for a rematch and says he will fight Pacquiao at any weight.



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patrick mumar on Apr 14, 2008 at 19:08:46 said:

if marquez believes he won the fight then why do he always ask for a third fight when he won the second fight, first thing first he should be humble to accept that he lost so that he can have the third fight.Marquez is a good counter puncher but i tell you when you fight manny a counter puncher style has no effect....


makoto tanaka on Mar 23, 2008 at 23:17:44 said:

おはよう ございます!champion じゃなくて も いい です よ!ほんと に pacquiao は 一番 せかい champion です!pacquiao is very strong and very speed!


Gideon Molleno on Mar 23, 2008 at 22:54:20 said:

Pacquiao is not a superstar??hell i tell you..even morales is a superstar in the philippines.I was on vacation last year in my island hometown in Araceli,palawan, one hour west of manila by plane.The town is a countryside where in some areas your nearest neighbor is half a kilometer away.My 5-year old nephew was playing with a buddy when he suddenly stood up and posed to mock a boxing match,then shouted--I AM PACQUIAO!!!...his tongue twisted buddy shouted back--I AM MOLALES!!!

Now im sure my nephew`s buddy is already shouting---I AM MARQUEZ!!!that means MAYBE you(Marquez) too are already a superstar by fighting pacquiao. So be happy and fight another day!!Its not the end of the world!lol!


DarkHalo on Mar 23, 2008 at 20:46:33 said:

manny was robbed in their first fight and did not cry..oops complained.


juanita on Mar 23, 2008 at 20:32:21 said:

Its hard to be humble when you lost a fight that close. Poor loser. He should have accepted his fate from his first fight in 2004. I now believe that Philippine rice and corn are better that tachos and tortillos of Mexico.


REGINALDO G. REAL on Mar 23, 2008 at 06:53:59 said:

El Dinamita was robbed! With a powerful knocked down to this noble but gay caballero and slits in his brows, it's really a necessity to cry and shout i was robbed.


ricardo on Mar 23, 2008 at 06:29:27 said:

To those who doubted the fights, please review the fights and it is very clear that in 12 rounds only one man down and that is Marquez! Pacquiao is better than Marquez for the last 24 rounds where Marquez knockdown clearly 4 times by Pacquiao.No doubt it is a great world fight.


immipuggo on Mar 23, 2008 at 05:33:05 said:

PacMan had the right to complain in their first bout. BUT HE DID NOT.

PacMan is a true gentleman.

JMM is Dynamita Crybaby.

:)


Richter Tan on Mar 23, 2008 at 05:32:08 said:

To be honest, I thought at first that its gonna be JMM who's going to win the fight. But I was able to watch the replay last night, and I scored it, muted the tv, I had PACMAN winning 115-113, I scored round 4 10-10, JMM did very well during the first half of the fight and his best round came in round 8, however PACMAN won the last 4rounds. therefore taking the title away from JMM, the only reason why people thought JMM won was because Majority of them thought this was an easy fight for PAC and they were dissapointed with Pac not being able to KO JMM and JMM gave Pac a very hard time during the first 6 rounds. but as I've said PAC won the last 4 rounds, plus the Knockdown. it was enough for Pac to win the fight.


jongban on Mar 23, 2008 at 04:54:36 said:

marquez could have won the fight as clear as the sky against pacman had he not hit the canvas in round three.

jmm, one of the best technical boxers who is also described as the best counter-puncher ever produced in the sport of boxing failed to dominate pacman. pacman as well who has been described as more of a hard puncher minus the speed and relentlessness ( 18 lbs gained overnight as the most probable culprit ) he is known for in his previous fights also failed to dominate jmm in their rematch.

it was so unfortunate that it was jmm who was trying to be agressive and on the attack when he was caught with a left COUNTER PUNCH coming from pacman. he was again hit by pacman with another left COUNTER PUNCH in the tenth round that clearly wobbled him.

maybe jmm cannot accept the fact that it was he who was victimized by very telling couples of counter punches pacman is not known for. patented counter punching skill and ability belong to him, not pacman's.

i guess marquez has a bad omen for NUMBER THREE. THREE KDS in his first match with pacman and a kd in ROUND THREE in their recently concluded rematch.

sure, he'll get another crack at pacman but again i am afraid the odds will again go against him. whether he likes it or not number THREE might again spoil his chances because it will be dubbed, " pacman-marquez THREE.


louie on Mar 23, 2008 at 03:57:41 said:

nope.this has nothing to do with the who won-who lost thing about pacman and jmm...but rather to that jmm's quote of manny not being the big star that he is and the media having a hand in making pac seems what he actually is...well, I'm a filipino and proud to be one, the way i am not proud about a lot of things in my country--corruption,nepotism, crime rates,unemployment,exploitation--but when in comes to th effect manny has on thye filipino people,excluding politics of course, to say that he is not a big star is literally blasphemy...fron the those wee days of the boxing show blow-by-blow when he was just a one-armed bandit,a show that is shown very late at night, people would watch him...he was very promosing, a lanky guy that packs a wallop..then he lost by knockout due to a sucker punch by rustico...well, he rose from that defeat to become a world flyweight champion only to be severely dehydrated in thailand and lose again due to weakness...lessons learned here...at this point came roach and evemtually the lehnolo ibf bantamwight fight and also the metamosphosis of manny pacquiao.people were not excited about the main event as they watch a new manny weaving and moving and jabbing...lehnolo never knew what hit him...and after wards all the fights that transformed manny pacquiao...the fight with barrera would be the said what caught the eye of the world...but it would be manny's trilogy with erik morales that will catapult him into a demi-god in my country...to understand this, the way he lost the first fight with courage,bleeding and all, and the way he won the next two ones made manny the physical manifestation of the filipinos' trait--perseverance and hope even if the odds are unlikely to go your way. that's why paper never lie when they say the philippines, the whole 7000 thousand island and almost 90 million people in it literally grinds to a halt when manny fight--he is the epitome of hope for the hopeless; of courage under heavy odds and many more that i can't find the words to use for it...bottomline, juan manuel marquez really believe that manny is just a superstar due to the media's pen bloating him a lot, i suggest he comes to my country when manny fights diaz...no, he wont be mugged there...in fact the filipinos will be in their hospitable best to accomodate him,its one of our traits.he should come and judge for himself how big manny really is when he finds all streets empty,bus drivers,taxis.jeepneys,tricycles, even holduppers,robbers stop to be in front of their television and watch him fight.if manny's not a superstar, then tell me, just one boxer who can actually make a whole country stop in front of their television even if its,most of the time, a delayed telecast?


Don Miguelito on Mar 23, 2008 at 03:33:41 said:

LOL ... THAT WAS A GOOD ONE MR. SMITH...


Michael Smith on Mar 23, 2008 at 03:26:17 said:

JMM is a good counter puncher, otherwise known as "waiting or running" thats why he is not marketable in the world of boxing. He should thank PACMAN for giving him a rematch exposing his name in the public instead of crying. Thats why he was lurking behind the shadows of MAB and EM. This two mexican warriors(BARRERA and MORALES) if you guys see there past fights, they can draw crowds, and you won't regret pulling out your hard earned money watching their fights and that what makes PACMAN marketable in Boxing. Instead of waitng for PACMAN to give him a 3rd rematch, he should fight GUZRUN, sorry,, ah , GUZMAN where the fight would be as exciting as GOOD FRIDAYS or BLACK SATURDAY where people are asleep and some praying that the fight would stop earlier. I dubbed this fight "BATTLE OF THE RUNNERS". AND JMM should take VALERO also as this kid claims he has power were he was knocked down during a fight with the very old Mosquera. this fight would be dubbed as "THE BATTLE OF THE RUNNER AND THE MINDLESS" maybe that would be a great idea, and if JMM lose either of these fights he will cry again that he was robbed:)


Don Miguelito on Mar 23, 2008 at 03:12:03 said:

that's just very common for losing fighters to whine about the way they lost. it is just like that, always. it was a great fight, it was worth the money spent to stage it and see it, and lets just hope all this sour graping does not bring down the trust of the people in those that are involved in staging fights of this magnitude.


tolitzkie on Mar 23, 2008 at 03:09:44 said:

why not try to schedule a fight between manny and speedy gonzales (he is from mexico also yeah). i'm sure it would be a very interesting fight. hahaha


rommel st,doval on Mar 23, 2008 at 02:53:39 said:

man..!! JMM wat are u saying bro?? u LOST a very close fight, PLEASE !!! admit it ok! try to watch the fight again bro! u LOST!!! the only clear round that uv won is Rnd8, ... watch it,.. watch it!! men wat r u crying for!!? PAC shows d heart of a real champion, he never backs out, he der ready to rumble!! I admire ur style, ur a gud counter puncher no doubt abt it! but thats it!! u dont hev POWER punches that wud put PAC away!! OK!! PAC clearly won d fight!! period,!


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Don Miguelito on Mar 23, 2008 at 02:52:42 said:

Just give the benefit of the doubt to those who claim that marquez won that fight with manny, or that marquez was robbed of his championship. what else could they do now? andare andare arriba manny........


captball on Mar 23, 2008 at 02:50:39 said:

No matter what the sore losers say, the championship belt is already with pacman, with the filipino people... Better luck next time around hehehe....


jay on Mar 23, 2008 at 02:19:18 said:

24 rounds, 4 knockdowns, still JMM was'nt impress of PACMAN. If he's a champion, he should be strong enough to accept defeat. Was he not ashamed being put to the canvass and yell that he was much better than PACMAN?


EDDIE on Mar 23, 2008 at 00:23:52 said:

Thejust-concluded rematch did not complete the unfinished business of WHO REALLY IS THE SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT KING. The verdict should be a DRAW. Marquez has shown the whole world that he has the power to beat Paquiao. We want a 3rd encounter to determine once more which among the 2 is really the BETTER and REAL CHAMPION. For me, I give both the honor of being excellent fighters. However, both fighters have not not proven the world whether he is much better over the other. PLEASE COMPLETE THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS. Pacquiao should be brave enough to accept the challenge of Marquez -- or else I would consider Marquez the better figter.


niofranc on Mar 22, 2008 at 23:52:44 said:

boxing world wants an all action war inside the ring,not a boring marathon,a warrior,a gladiator,that can make audience moneys worth,stop your claim,your boring..


John Creasy on Mar 22, 2008 at 18:41:29 said:

Marquez is simply being as the article said--a cry baby. If he fights Manny at a heavier weight Marquez is likely to get really busted up; he should quit while he still has his health.


Randy Rossdale on Mar 22, 2008 at 17:31:47 said:

It was a close fight and it was a GREAT FIGHT no doubt!... But saying that juan manuel got robbed is absolutely ridiclous! I'm a marquez fan but i realized something after watching the fight thrice.
It was not a fight of who is the best counterpuncher.
If your just good at counterpunching and even the best of them all, wont make you the best fighter.
Manny Pacquiao neutralized Marquez’ excellent skills, had him knocked down once, almost twice, got him groggy, and remained on his feet and looked strong after gruelling 12 full rounds makes him the better fighter.
Pacquiao is the better performer above that ring on that night. But Marquez gave it his best effort that's why he's thinking that he won the fight. He's trying to sound like he DOMINATED MANNY for 12 ROUNDS! To make a case out of it!

randy liverpool,england


Ed on Mar 22, 2008 at 16:21:57 said:

its good marquez lost, i admired him for being that courageous fight he had shown fighting our pacman, but i\'m now looking at him with no respect at all... he was a world champion, a world champion should not be lie only in those belts but also in deed, character, and attitude outside the ring.. how can be he called a world champion when in fact he is a sore loser... they said be humble in victory and be gracious in defeat.. that\'s what pacman did when he lost to the great erik morales..

so marquez please stop whining and show some respect for yourself! stop telling people that \"i know i won\" because they knew better!
YOU LOST TO A GREAT FIGHTER!


Louie on Mar 22, 2008 at 14:36:10 said:

I've read La Jornada news translated to English and Marquez is like a blabbering and whining child, such attitude of yours is childish. Full of excuses about being accidentally butted by Manny. C'mon Juan Manuel, you're a lousy whiner without guts to accept defeat. Now I know why they call you Juanita Manuela "Dinamita" Marquez.


Superman on Mar 22, 2008 at 14:31:48 said:

The fight would have been over in round 3 were it not for the bell. Marquez was saved by the bell. Props to JMM though for training his ass off, his skills, conditioning, and boxing styles and Manny\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s cut saved JMM in later round and almost won.


john ramos on Mar 22, 2008 at 13:06:25 said:

Regarding the issue of ethnic media, how come in every fight of Manny Pacquiao in Las Vegas not one Filipino press photographer is being accredited to be a ringside photographer of his fights?


dado cagampan on Mar 22, 2008 at 12:32:43 said:

sana magkaroon uli kyo ng rematch,bigyan natin ng pamagat na business usual,siguradong mag aabang na nman kami d2 sa bahrain,ngayon palang mag iipon na ako para sa ppv,ok pacman accept the offer of 6 million.asccay


JENUAL on Mar 22, 2008 at 12:03:05 said:

WHAT HAPPENED IS BEEN DONE.MARQUEZ ACCEPT & BE A GENTLEMAN.LOOK FORWARD FOR THE BEST & THANKS PACQUIAO FOR THE FIGHT FOR AT LEAST YOU EARN A LOT.IN THIS WAY PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL RESPECT AND IDOLIZE YOU...STOP CRYING AND INSULTING THOSE PEOPLE WHO COVER UP THE FIGHT.RESPECT & BE A GOOD SPORTMAN. IF THERE WILL BE PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III, I WANT YOU TO FIGHT PACMAN FACE TO FACE & TOE TO TOE WITHOUT RUNNING FOR EVERY ROUND TO LET US SEE WHO WILL STAND ALONE IN THE RING WITH THE REFEREE, OK! MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS & VIVA MEHICO!!!!!


91Storm on Mar 22, 2008 at 11:44:27 said:

JMM is like a cherry picker in a pick-up basketball game. Always waiting for a clear shot, ambush, don't like to take chances, waiting for a clear assist, a perfect deflection for a putback. He only nailed PAC because back bring the fight to him. PAC is always stalking a scared looking dynamite pin stick. What if PAC did the same? The fight could have been a stare down. JMM, next time, fight like a man, for the judges are already tired of your style. PAC comes for a brawl, if your style is chicken fight, don't bother to show up. You are a hyenna, waiting for scrap from the Lion PAC. Grow up and quit acting like a spurned DAMA.


ILLINOISAN on Mar 22, 2008 at 11:09:25 said:

STOP CRYING, BIG BABY MARQUEZ, IT WAS A CLOSE FIGHT AND PACMAN WON...,SO JUST GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. MANNY PACQUIAO INDIRECTLY LOST DURING THE FIRST BOUT DUE TO THE MISTAKE THAT ONE OF THE JUDGES MADE WHICH EVENTUALLY ENABLED YOU TO KEEP YOUR TITLES BUT HE LIVED ON. BE MAN ENOUGH TO DO THE SAME THING. BESIDES, YOU WERE REALLY PROBABLY DESTINED TO LOSE THAT NIGHT WHEN YOU HAD YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING JINXED BY CARRYING THOSE TITLE BELTS WITH YOU ALL THE TIME. DID YOU REALLY THINK THAT MANNY PACQUIAO, FOR ANY WEIRD REASON THAT YOUR WILD IMAGINATION MIGHT POSSIBLY SKETCH IN YOUR HEAD, WOULD LITERALLY COME UP AND TAKE THESE BELTS AWAY FROM YOU? BOY, DID I UNDERESTIMATE YOU...,NOT ONLY ARE YOU A WHINER AND A SOUR LOSER LIKE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON YOUR TEAM, YOU ARE PARANOID TOO! AS FOR DIOSDADO GABI, BOBBY PACQUIAO, AND Z GORRES, AS MUCH AS HATE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR I HONESTLY SUPPORT AND RALLY BEHIND EVERY FILIPINO WHO'S KEEN ON BRINGING MORE GLORY TO THE PHILIPPINES, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT BOXING IS FOR ANY OF YOU GUYS SO YOU ARE ALL PROBABLY JUST BETTER OFF LOOKING FOR ANOTHER LINE OF JOB, ONE IN WHICH YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO POSSIBLY BE SUCCESSFUL IN BUT ONE IN WHICH IS ALSO GONNA BE HEALTHY FOR YOU..., NOT TO MENTION THE BIGGEST CONSOLATION THAT EVERY FILIPINO WOULD DEFINITELY WELCOME AND BENEFIT FROM, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAVING THE PHILIPPINES AND OUR COUNTRYMEN MORE HUMILIATION BETWEEN NOW AND FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES.


francisHERNANIe.SAMAR on Mar 22, 2008 at 10:54:55 said:

hey marquez fans!!! you lost...take it like real men ok? nothin's gonna change that...Our guy beat ur guy..end of story.

MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!!


eds_mexico_de_pilipinas on Mar 22, 2008 at 10:44:02 said:

JMM and Pacquiao vs. Mayweather
2 vs. 1

After they knck down mayweather, its a do or die for them. I doubt JMM can survive.....


Michael Griffiths on Mar 22, 2008 at 10:38:50 said:

Marquez, please don't fall on your ass next time... maybe you'll have a stronger case.


PUETOHOI on Mar 22, 2008 at 10:32:30 said:

Marquez had the advantage. First,Pacquiao can't fight at 130 he lost a lot of energy. Second, Marquez trained way earlier than pacquiao. Third, He has more technique.
After watching the match again I clearly thought Pacquiao won the fight because he hits harder than Marquez and Pacquiao landed a little more punches than Marquez. The only reason why he landed more total punches was becuase of the cut on Pacquiao.


boyaX on Mar 22, 2008 at 10:10:17 said:

Common JMM stop crying and accept the verdict of the judges.. If you think you're better boxer than PAcquiao why can't drop him even once.. you just trying to box him waiting to counter punch PACMAN. If your goal is to win over PACMAN why you cant fight him toe to toe. I do admire of your technically counter punching power but you have to knockdown Pacquiao to show that you're better boxer than him, not to counter punch and wait Pacquaio to attack you and waiting for his mistake. Pacquiao is better than you.. just admit and train again hard to knock him down not to counter punch and dance and running inside the canvass.. You're good but no punching power to knockdown PAcquiao...


lowrider on Mar 22, 2008 at 10:03:45 said:

When Pacquaio lost to Morales on a close fight, he accepted it with all humility. In the first Pacquaio V Marquez match , Marquez narrowly escaped losing due to the wrong scoring of one judge who openly admitted it. In Pacquaio Vs Marquez I and II, Pacquaio floored Marquez 4 times, the only thing better to prove his superiority is a knockout. Marquez got lucky in several ocassions because time is on his side. Now Marquez is whining like he beat the crap out of Pacquaio and convincingly won the last fight. The only convincing he had done is him being a sour graper and a sore loser. After all the hype is gone , the fact remains, and unbias people knows it in their heart - Pacquaio is the better sportsman , the better person and the better fighter.


Manuel Lim on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:55:23 said:

I suggest that if there's a rematch, to do it for 15 rounds and if it's still a close fight, to have a 5 minutes overtime, just like in other sports.

Manny
Yellowknife, NT, Canada


lowrider on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:53:07 said:

When Pacquaio lost to Morales on a close fight, he accepted it with all humility. In the first Pacquaio V Marquez match , Marquez narrowly escaped losing due to the wrong scoring of one judge who openly admitted it. In Pacquaio Vs Marquez I and II, Pacquaio floored Marquez 4 times, the only thing better to prove his superiority is a knockout. Marquez got lucky in several ocassions because time is on his side. Now Marquez is whining like he beat the crap out of Pacquaio and convincingly won the last fight. The only convincing he had done is him being a sour graper and a sore loser. After all the hype is gone , the fact remains, and unbias people knows it in their heart - Pacquaio is the better sportsman , the better person and the better fighter.


Erns on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:39:51 said:

its more than a week now since marquez lost to Manny and still ....he is crying...

you are a man enough to accept that you are a loser....my god the verdict is over,,,the judges gave them their decision...is this the kind of system that the mexican had.stop crying....its your fault why you didnt stop manny by KO...and beside you didnt show that you are more stronger than HIM....did you know that you are almost KO in the 2nd round....Manny show his power, but you didnt


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Roberto Pentason on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:37:34 said:

I am a filipino, and I considered JMM one of the greatest warrior Mexico has produced, but now he talks like a woman scorned. He accused the boxing world of conspiracy against him and his brother, and lambasted the judges as corrupt and robbed him his title. The trouble is that, he may be a good counter puncher and sometimes befuddle Pacman with his style, but mostly his punches could only make Pacman smile. In that fight, Pacman threw less punches, but when he hits the target, JMM flies in mid air and shamelessly falls on his back in full view of the judges and the whole world. A few seconds more he could have been a goner, because he did not know where he was that 3rd rd and followed Pacman to his corner it was almost obscene. And now he complains. He must remember this fight is as close as the first one and could go either way. The first fight was a draw but a judge admitted a scoring error. Burt Clements scored the first round 10-7 for Pacman instead of 10-6 because of the 3 KD. JMM benifited from that 1 pt error, because it made him retain his crown for a draw. Pacman suffered terribly because that 1 pt. difference could have declared him a champion. And you know what JMM? Pacman did not badmouth Burt Clements. Instead of blaming others for his misery, he apologized to our people for his failure and explained the reason why he failed to bring home the title. He hurt his left hand in the first round while blasting your head, and suffered a coin sized blister in one foot due to wrong socks. He showed his swollen hand and blistered foot at postfight interview with abs-cbn. Thats how true warriors and professionals behave if they fail, they do not chatter nonsense. You even have the nerve to claim that you won the first fight even though the erring judge admitted his mistake in scoring a draw for you, instead of a win for Pacman. You even said Pacman avoided an immidiate rematch 4 yrs ago because he was scared. It turned out that talks for the rematch as said by Bob Arum, failed because you and Nacho want all the HBO money all for yourselves, and nothing for Pacman. And when that ridiculous demand failed, your team kicked out your promoter Bob Arum. What a way to sabotage an impending rematch specially if you are scared. And what a way to pursue a career by turning your back on a great rematch 4 yrs. ago, only to fight nondescript fights and gave away your crown for a bargain price of 30,000 dollars in Indonesia.


The Punisher on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:34:19 said:

elena & odette, will you please tell juan manuel "THE VERY SORE LOSER" marquez that he's NO REAL man the way he conducts himself post-fight 'til this very hour. his claim, "i know i won" as printed in your article above will just remain in his mind, a figment of his wild imagination. his team, and that also of his brother's team alike, are naturally gifted no doubt as WHINERS, COMPLAINERS, VERY SORE LOSERS, who are all BEREFT of true sportsman
ship. no wonder he doesn't deserve to stay as champion any longer. that's what i call
"GOOD RIDDANCE"!

the fight outcome really EXPOSED the kind of breeding he's got! why zero-in on the pacman with his very sore gripes? maybe the end of the world for him, huh! no matter what he and his new-found fans anywhere say
or claim, they have no legal leg on which to stand. pacman did his work, i saw jmm did his, too. and the judges vested by law/s did theirs as well, so jmm is barking up the wrong tree (pacman) here! to top it, he is trying his darn best to bring the pacman down from his heroic status, by claiming he was not soundly beaten by the pacman? he still lost! that's what counts, matters!!!

honestly, i've read tons of articles about the postfight and jmm is there like a dumb, restless, sleepless, beaten to a pulp, soul.
he should be thankdul he was never knocked out cold, due to saved by the bell mystery. i say mystery because maybe the heavens were still preserving his UGLY face from a total knockout cold!!!

maybe he's oblivious of the fact that, the more he cleaves onto something (WBC/SFWeight
belt), the chances were he could lose it, and he did lose it to a better man. he had admitted prior to the fight that it's hard to knock pacman down, more so knock him out! in his ARROGANCE he admitted one true fact: he can't win over pacman! that's it.

thanks for the chance to comment! cheers!!!


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CHERVIN on Mar 22, 2008 at 09:06:02 said:

Come on people don't you see what's going on here? Marquez and his camp knows they lost a very close fight. Now they're calling it a robbery and making all the noise in the media because they're already promoting Marquez vs Pacquiao III. It makes a lot of sense. The "robbery" will be the main theme of the third fight and everybody will want to watch it because they want to settle this once and for all. Guess what though? If Pacquiao loses the next fight, will there be a final fight? I won't be surprised. After everything is said and done, after all, boxing is still a business. These fights are probably both fighters' biggest paychecks. Bottom line: Fight 1 - Draw, Fight 2 - Pacquiao by split decision, Fight 3 - To be announced. Period. Peace!


Franzua on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:43:21 said:

Juan Manuel Marquez i think he should admit that he lost the fight. JMM never ever knock out Pacman in the 2 fights they had. So one thing i can say STOP CRYING BE A MAN... and maybe if there will be a rematch then show the world that you can knock out Pacman but as of now STOP SAYING BULL!


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edgar a. de dios on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:39:39 said:

JMM should not cry over spilled milk, the fight is now over and the judges had handed down their decision. You are a bad loser. You don't deserve in this sport no matter how technically skilled you are. Your continued stay as a boxer will only ruin the sport that you ought to love. Look what Pacquiao did in your first fight. Judge Clemens even admitted that he erred by giving him (Pacquiao) 10-7 edge in the first round that could have won him the fight by a split decision. But did you hear him cry as you are doing now. No, No, No. He never did. That's a sign of a true gentleman and a PROFESSIONAL boxer, the real exponent in the propagation of the sport that we love so much. You have to emulate him to redeem yourself and be of great help to the sport.


Kyle Eaton on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:39:14 said:

PACMAN clearly won the fight coz he came back strong and connected more powerful punches. Marquez is damn loser..


aldrich on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:34:56 said:

First of all, you don't have to blame those poor judges........I think you should blame yourself for your loop-sided loss to the Pacman... .you should have KNOCK him OUT to claim victory... but what happened..........you were the one who was KO'ed....man be brave enough to accept defeat...
Wake-up man...hey include granpop Bernstien...


jvgjr on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:27:14 said:

In their 1st encounter, it is the fact, not just a speculation, that one of the judges admitted committing mistake by giving 10-7 score instead of 10-6 favor of MP in the 1st round which means MP could have won that fight instead of a draw. MP was man enough and accepted the verdict but it was ironic that JMM was the one complaining he won the fight. In the 2nd encounter, it was again a very close fight as shown in the scorecards of the three judges, but this time there were no lapses or mistakes committed by the judges and MP won the fight. So what more could you expect from JMM. Complain. As what he did in their 1st fight. But one thing I could not figure out is how can he make a sound judgement on the fight when he is the one fighting. I admire JMM as a skillful boxer but his attitude is unbecoming of a sportsman.


kobe on Mar 22, 2008 at 08:04:49 said:

Juan Manuel Marquez and Nacho Beristain has been know for being bitter about judges decision or referees making wrong decisions. Everytime they lose they whine. In his past matches, how many times did he whine or cry when he lost blaming it to the judges or referee? Seriously you guys should do the research. This guy is absolutely fun to watch against Pacquiao but you have to admit JMM and his camp are whiners! They bitch everytime. What's new? This guy can't be put with the names like Barrera and Morales coz he hasnt beaten them. With JMM's match with Barrera, he lost. C'mon, everyone saw that he was knocked down by Barrera. The fight was unbelievably scored a landslide for Marquez. GBP is the one doing the cooking. Even with the Hopkin's brother's fight it was cooked. And JMM hasnt really beaten anyone significant except for Barrera w/c i think he lost. How can u become a legend if you keep whining all the time. The ring is the ultimate proving ground. So if JMM wants to be known and become a legend, he has to knockout Manny Pacquiao. He knows this. You can't win relying on more punches. Prove to the world by knocking Pacquiao out. Which I dont think he can do because he has never even knocked or really hurt Pacquiao. He has cut him but thats it. By the way, I'm not a Filipino.. I'm an American who hates whiners!


Royce Gracie II on Mar 22, 2008 at 07:31:20 said:

Marquez is a poor loser.
That was a fight that knowledgeable boxing experts appreciate to be so close that a decision for either fighter is possible depending on the judges. In a boxing match, it is only the judges' decision which can say who won. Not the fighters. Not their managers. Not their fans.
Being the loser does not mean that he could cry all day and in all places.
Admit it Marquez.
You fought Pacquiao twice, and you were knocked down a total of FOUR times.
If you were really good, how in the hell you were knocked down?


Allan Brazil on Mar 22, 2008 at 07:16:49 said:

I would have agreed with most Mexicans that Marquez had won, had Marquez showed aggressiveness in that fight. Everybody knows that boxing is not worth watching if the opponent keeps on running and refusing to engage like a boxer. Marquez is not like Sugar Ray Leonard who prefered running and attacking his opponent that made boxing fans loved him. No doubt Marquez is a good counter puncher, but that's all. He was not even able to hit Pacquiao solidly in one of the rounds where Pacquiao was on the verge of disappointing his countrymen. So how could Marquez declare himself as the winner of that fight? In my opinion, Marquez performed worse compared to his first encounter with Pacman. Boxing fans understand that the loser wants immediate rematch. But the promoter of the winner and the winner himself would mean better business.
The more the media features the so-called "ROBBERY", "BIASED JUDGES", "INSULTS" by the Marquez fans, and "INTRIGUES", "ALLEGATIONS" by Pacquiao fans, the better business for Arum and Pacman.
There should be Pacquiao-Marquez III. And I guess that the LAST excuse for Marquez if he loses again would be his age.


flip on Mar 22, 2008 at 07:10:19 said:

I want to see Diosdado gabi again fighting a mexican!HEHEHE


McLeodize on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:59:09 said:

I TOLD YOU BEFORE JUANITA MANUELITA MARQUEZ THAT ONLY A GAY AND A GIRLIE CRY WHEN THEY LOSE! YO BELONG TO THEM AMIGA! STOP CRYING HIJA!


vegasisit on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:49:15 said:

24 rounds. 4-5 knockdowns. all by one manny pacquiao. how many times did juan manuel marquez knockdown pacquiao. ZERO.
the first fight was a gift to marquez by a scoring mistake by a a judge who admitted and was sorry for the mistake. shit happens and it helped to make pacquiao-marquz II happen. SO BE IT. but marquez and his camp knowing thatr, they should AT LEAST have aimed to achieve either knock the pacman out or beat him to submission or stomp on him beat him with the stool or whatever. maybe they did aim for that but just simply cuold not do it. the 24 rounds of fight was fair and square (no, actually the first fight was a gift) so will the marquez camp pleeeeeease just accept a repeated defeat.
the way marquez sounded in the post fight conference complaining is like he put the pacman to the floor or to the hospital, it's clearly a mix of pride and delusion and press swaying tactic. but really, it was embarassing to even see him raise his hand in the end of the fight. LOSER.


RAYMUNDO REYES on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:46:59 said:

I AM MEXICAN I KNOW MANNY PACQUIAO WON !!!


xris on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:41:03 said:

Pacman RULES!!!!


Pugilistic on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:37:38 said:

For those who doubts the victory of PACMAN try to review all the boxing rounds from HBO then you found it why? Only round 8 Marquez got a clear winning round all are for PACMAN. Pacquiao Marquez III has no different at all because. Marquez will kiss the canvass again and I wish he can still get up.


Ed Sa on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:37:05 said:

Pacquiao to run for President? He didn't even win in the congressional elections held in his district.


pappus on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:28:11 said:

JM MARQUEZ is NOBODY if NOT for PACQUIAO! who has he beaten anyway?! a FADED & BATTLE WORN BARRERA which PACMAN already DEMOLISHED?! an unknown & OLD MANUEL MEDINA?! OR the QUITTER DERRICK GAINER?! he even LOST in INDONESIA to CHRIS JOHN which is not an A LEVEL fighter!! C\'MON MARQUEZ DON\'T CRY OUT LOUD ABOUT YOUR LOSS 2 PACQUIAO!! ur making a FOOL out urself BELIEVING U WON the FIGHT. YOUR NOT A TRUE MEXICAN FIGHTER JUST LIKE BARRERA, MORALES & JC CHAVEZ!! BECAUSE THEY FOUGHT ALL OUT WITH THEIR BLOOD & GUTS OF A TRUE MEXICAN. THEY GO TOE TO TOE WITH THEIR OPPONENTS!! THAT\'S WHY MEXICAN FANS LOVED THEM.. THE RESEMBLE THE TRUE MEXICAN WARRIOR!! your style of FIGHT is SUITED FOR A GAY!! COUNTERPUNCHING & JUST WAITING FOR HIS OPPONENT TO MAKE MISTAKES!! THAT\'S WHY HE LOVES TO FIGHT PACQUIAO BCOZ PACMAN SUITS HIS GAYLIKE OF STYLE!! but SAD 2 say, HE CANT TAKE PACMANS PUNCHES!!


BUENO SILVA on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:25:33 said:

ABOUT THE FIGHT? JMM IS JUST NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.... WHEN A FIGHTER GOES UP THE RING AND FACES HIS OPPONENT, THE FIRST THING IN HIS MIND IS; HOW TO WIN THE MATCH! REMEMBER, JMM DURING HIS FIRST FIGHT WITH PACMAN...IS NOT AN EVEN FIGHT...IT WAS PACMAN WHO WON IT BECAUSE HE DESERVED IT...FOR THREE KNOCKED DOWNS OF JMM? WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT? THAT WAS A REAL ROBBED FROM PACMAN! HOW CAN DINAMITA JMM THOUGHT THAT HE WAS ROBBED? JUST IMAGINE...DURING THE FIRST AND THE SECOND ENCOUNTERS IN THEIR FIGHTS...PACMAN IS ALWAYS MAKING GREAT MARKS ROUND BY ROUND. THE INTIMIDATION DONE BY PACMAN WAS REAL GREAT!
JUST THINK THAT JMM WAS KNOCKED DOWN IN ALL THE FIGHTS....

WINNING IS THE GREATEST WORD FOR IT AND IF THERE WILL BE ANOTHER FIGHT THE THIRD TIME AROUND...JMM WILL BE OUT IN BOXING. THAT THE HISPANIC COUNTRIES AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL SEE AND THINK HOW PACMAN BECOMES GREAT!


Ed Sa on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:21:46 said:

Pacquiao to run for President? He didn't even win in the congressional elections held in his district.


Jay Andres on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:10:43 said:

Deep in Marquez's heart knows Manny won the fight, though it was very close.It's just the so called Mexican pride that says he was robbed..and the new champion of the world Mexico's Public Enemy No. 1 Manny "The Mexicutioner" Pacquiaaaaaaaaaaao!


marx dy on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:09:50 said:

You Juan Manuelita Marquez....just shut up your mouth and not cry like a big ass idiot mexicano..accepting a defeat is not a coward..always remember that..lolz....


Rico Mostajo on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:03:25 said:

I believe that the mega fight between the pacman anf dinamita last march 15 in las vegas is a very close fight to call. but the word 'robbed'is very uncalled for. the first fight between the two was not a different story, pacquiao dropped marquez three times in the first round, but marquez got up and scored on the following rounds. but the judge who scored
10-7 instead of 10-6 who admitted he made a mistake. surely that 1 point could've change d history. What i'm trying to say that boxing is a sport wherein anything can happen. You hit your opponent 12 to 15 times in a round, but at the end. it's still a single point, 10 -9, not unless you decked him then it'll be 10-8. the judges score in my opinion is just fair and square. You cannot go on talking on media that you won and you got robbed. it's really not fair. Pacquiao fought a hell of a fight and you know it. What Don Nacho and Marquez should do is to find a way to strengthen that weak chin of his.


wilz andres on Mar 22, 2008 at 06:00:04 said:

Everyone who saw that epic rematch, may he be in Mandalay or in front of his television set, has the right to determine whom he thinks prevail. But in the end, each one of us should not forget the fact that there are only three (3) persons chosen by those who organized and sanctioned the fight to officially judge the brawl. After twelve (12) rounds of boxing, their respective scores given were added and the results were announced. I could still recall what is boldly written in the cancha of jai-alai venue in front of Rizal Park, which states - EL FALLO DEL JUEZ ES INAPELABLE. So, damas y caballeros de Mexico, with each judge giving the fight to each ring gladiator and Ted Miller scoring it 114-113, the "NEW WBC Superfeatherweight Champion" from General Santos City, Philippines, MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO! Intiendes?


Jonie Palangana on Mar 22, 2008 at 05:55:49 said:

In a close fight, someone has to win and someone has to lost, There\'s should always be a winner and a looser or otherwise, it\'s a draw. In the case of Marquez-Paquiao II, Marquez and his team shows un-sportsmanlike attitude. They can\'t accept the decision of the judges. To mention, a close fight like what they have in their first encounter where it was declared a draw but later on one of the judges admitted that he make mistakes by scoring the first round, otherwise, manny has won by split decision. The mistakes has been accepted by Pacquiao but not Marquez as he also insist that he won the first fight. With a total of 4 knockdowns in 2 a total of 24 rounds, Marquez still believed that he is a better fighter. Please think of it. How come? if you are really the better fighter, you should try to do the same thing to Pacquiao. It\'s a shame that you said in some of your interview that when you suffer a 3 knockdown in your first fight, you get the draw, now that you have just suffered a single knockdown, you lost. Sorry to say, you should be ashamed to yourself to tell that as a reason for your defeat. The fight was so close and in the eyes of the appointed judges, you lost by a split decision, and you should accept it. Thanks to your good training or otherwise, you may have kiss the canvass more often. You fight a good fight and that\'s already your achievement. Nothing to be ashamed. Accept the verdict of the judges so you will not be called a CRYING BABY.


edgardo on Mar 22, 2008 at 05:41:57 said:

MP was really suprised when JMM already thought that he won the match. But MP is a real gentleman he went to JMM corner not to congratulate him not for winning but appreciate the good figth and determination he had shown. Is it not common to anybody to be too happy when you hear the judgement and you win? But why his happiness was misinterpreted. Remmember the first encounter as the judge admitted the mistake in his scoring but MP and the Filipino move on and accepted the judges decision. Better lucks next time amigo and sleep well at your bed because next time you will hit and kiss the floor on your third encounter. Remmember that your style is your best now and MP was suprised, you will be suprised next time. believe me.


CallCenterVet on Mar 22, 2008 at 05:40:24 said:

Ha! Where did you get this bit?
"Many of Manny’s fans on both sides of the Pacific have called on Pacquiao to run for president in the Philippines. Pacquiao lost his bid for a seat in the Philippines’ Congress last May in his hometown in the Southern Philippines..."

Even in his own diehard fans website, nobody has even suggested Manny running for President. He's not even old enough to run! Many fans have favored Manny to stay away from politics not because he's no good at it but politics is not a league Manny belongs in. Many people favor Manny to stay in sports where he is good at.<-- That's the truth.

Mexicans can argue all they want because it's a free world ( For the most part ). Even in the Philippines, not all are convinced about his win. But everyone has their own opinions. And that's what theirs are all gonna stay... just opinions!


yoyoy brazil on Mar 22, 2008 at 05:39:01 said:

I'm a Filipino. In my opinion, Marquez scored more points. However, I could not agree that Marquez was a better boxer in that fight. Let me point out that in that round that Pacman could not almost see opponent,Marquez was not even able to knock him down. It was in the same round that Pacman signalled Marquez to attack him, but Marquez was afraid to come near Pacman. I think 80 percent of the fight made everybody saw Pacman chasing Marquez. So, how could Marquez say he was better than Pacquiao? Good counter punching does not guarantee a WIN in the eyes of the judges and boxing fans in general.
Marquez should not think that Pacman is afraid of fighting him again. Pacquiao won the fight and it's but natural for him earn more in their next fight. Remember that for a winner, business comes first, and for the loser (that's you, Marquez), it's the redemption or revenge (as you and your camp feel).
Had the decision on that fight the other way, I agree that Pacquiao would do the same. Even for free, the loser would even agree to fight just to get even or REVENGE.


buDZ jALA on Mar 22, 2008 at 05:08:56 said:

Is there any boxing match that has already been judged that at a later end changed their minds and make the other protester won after the effect? If non then I suggest JM Marquez for what had happened deserves a rematch but MUST accept defeat for being a real man and for the sport of BOXING. Or other may think he really is a CRYING BABY, Ohla Dinamita La MAMA Juana!!! Wait for your turn Juanita, make more offer for your own good as well. Tell your GOLDEN BOY Promoter to bid more. Remember Juanita, you are only know not of your performance but because you have had a controversy with someone who is wellknown in boxing, so just enjoy the ride PENDEJO and dont talk too much about you were robbed, perhaps the right ROB should spell out for your as RUB for you need some rubbing of your pain from the solid hits of Pacquiao la Amigo Juanita de Pendejo Mexicana.... lol!


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