Hells Angels Speak on Loss of SF Leader

YO! Youth Outlook Multimedia, Commentary//Video, Vanessa Vega Posted: Oct 29, 2008

Editor's Note: The murder of San Francisco Hells Angel president Mark "Papa" Guardado in September brought out the biggest biker procession the Bay Area has ever seen. Now, almost two months later, rival motorcycle club the Mongols - a member of which is now awaiting trial for Guardado's murder - is facing mass arrests by the federal government in the U.S. and Canada under a federal racketeering indictment. YO! Youth Outlook Multimedia content producer Vanessa Vaga, 17, attended Guardado's funeral and was one of the only media to talk to members of the Hells Angels about the murder.

SAN FRANCISCO -- Tuesday September 2nd, 2008 became one of the most devastating nights for friends and family members of Mark “Papa” Guardado, Sr., 46, the president of San Francisco’s chapter of the Hells Angels motorcycle club. Papa had gotten into a fist fight at a bar in the Mission District and was shot several times. Papa died shortly after at San Francisco's General Hospital. Everyone suspected that his killer was a member of the rival motorcycle club, the Mongols.

Papa was very close to my mother, though I didn't know him very well personally - he was someone who was in my life.

VIDEO: Mark "Papa" Guardado's family and friends talk about who he was and footage from the Hells Angel procession. Guardado's family and friends asked that their faces not be shown.

When Papa died, there was a lot of news and hearsay about Papa and the Hells Angels. First of all, this group is a brotherhood, not a gang, but people who all share the love for riding motorcycles. The Hells Angels are known to handle stuff the old fashion way - not using guns, knives or guns to win a battle - only when its necessary.

The reason I chose to do this story is because, even though I didn’t know Papa on a personal level, I felt the pain friends and family members were feeling. Even though the Hells Angels members don't usually speak to the media, they wanted to let the world know what he was really like.

His friends and family said that Papa was a man of his word - a great father, friend, brother and mentor to fellow members of the Hells Angels. A man of honor, loyalty, love and respect. He was always there to lend a helping hand to everyone. They said he was a kind giving man with a unique sense of humor and died for what he believed in.

I felt honored to attended Papa’s funeral with family members of mine that knew and respected him. I stood in disbelief as I saw thousands of motorcycles gathered around Duggan’s Mortuary in Daly City, not including the hundreds of people there. Hells Angel’s members from different chapters all around the world such as Germany, Canada and Australia attended the funeral. Different motorcycle clubs came and paid their respects as well. Police from three different cities sat around the perimeter.

Shortly after the service, it was time to take Papa for his “last ride.” The motorcycle procession was out of this world - what SFPD says to be the largest they’ve seen in the Bay Area - with some 2000 riders in attendance. All that was heard was motorcycle mufflers and all that was seen was leather vests from Duggan’s Mortuary through Portola up Dolores to Cypress Lawn Cemetery where Papa was laid to rest.

Shortly after Papa’s death the SFPD put out a $5 million arrest warrant for suspected murderer Christopher Ablett. Three weeks after Papa’s funeral, Ablett turned himself into a Bartlesville County police station in Oklahoma, where he is now awaiting his November court date.

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kp on Nov 27, 2008 at 01:23:14 said:

i think born again HA's rock.
i always heard family comes first; but never saw it. in fact its always the families that pay the price. i know mine did!


BO BO Barbary Coast,Frisco on Nov 14, 2008 at 16:40:52 said:

The Lord gave up on me along time ago and the Devils Scared of me!!


just wondering on Nov 14, 2008 at 08:44:19 said:

what do people think of these born again christian ex Hells Angels guys like Jerry Mcgee and Barry Mayson? instead of being rats {well they are still rats sorta}they become born again christians and slide threw doing and avoid doing hard time in prison by finding the lord jesus and working with the cops. then after they get off doing time they write books about how bad they used to be as HA members until they found jesus. talk about a big scam on the HA and the cops. and then they skate off free as a bird making big bucks off there old HA storys and blending them with preaching storys about jesus in local churches. a great scam if you ask me.


a pal of bo boughton on Nov 14, 2008 at 08:13:42 said:

BO BO any good Outlaw 1%er knows its FRISCO, not San Francisco.being as your name is BO BO {a southern boy name} are you any kinfolk to BO BOUGHTON OF THE HELLS ANGELS IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA? he owns a custom seat place on 35th ave in south phoenix az.


billy on Nov 14, 2008 at 07:54:57 said:

you are correct i am a jerk! but atleast im a honest jerk.


LGBT Community on Nov 13, 2008 at 21:28:16 said:

I really dont think its funny that bill would make fun of Gay people this is the year 2008,now really bill.


BoBo Barbary Coast, San Francisco, California on Nov 13, 2008 at 21:21:56 said:

bill I think this guy is rite about you,you sound like a jerk!


billy on Nov 13, 2008 at 21:17:08 said:

Actually KC I am a stand up comic and biker. I do make a living at it to. sorry for the BS BROTHER! and by now im sure you know billy is not my real name. I have been riding bikes for 38 years. I own 2 bikes aHD 92 fxr the favorite bike of the Hells Angels mc {just ask them} and a 2007 HD roadglide. I am irish I am a boston southie. I do get laid and my pecker/dick/cock does work long and hard on alot of lady comic groupies and biker sluts at the local biker bar here in California where I live. yes we comics have groupies to. LYNN LYNN CITY OF SIN,YOU NEVER COME OUT THE WAY YOU WENT IN! for the city of Lynn Mass! support your local Salem- Lynn Charter of the Hells Angels! im up in Burlington,New Bedford, Mass alot doing shows. come see me.


K.C. Massachusetts on Nov 13, 2008 at 19:31:29 said:

Hey Bill don't know anything about them and never said I did.I was asked to go to this sight and check out the video and was told about what a Great Guy this Man Papa was and got reading the blogs and bumped into yours and it pissed me off because your a dirtball Rat and then you keep going on about how everyones doing it and how its o.k.,but now I know your just a wannabe thats full of Shit,and I am positive your no Irishman from Boston,never mind the non-sense,I have no beefs with anyone on this sight and after reading this guy,girl whatever this Bill thinks he is blog you know what an asshole he is.
And as far as the blog written on the 13th the one 16:18:17 this is Bill being Bill,writing and saying its me,you are a Strokah Bill.Again your one funny dude.


foothills blvd in oakland on Nov 13, 2008 at 17:46:33 said:

there was a oakland hells angels by the name of sleepy jim jim brandes back in the 1970s who blew up a cop and his car in oakland. the cops name was bill zerby. he lived. as for kenny owen or ko as he is called he made the best biker crank in angel history on californias west coast. he made millions as a crank cooker and dealer till alaska hells angels member tony tait ratted him out yes a hells angel member who was a rat. ahh yes the good old days of oakland angeldom! back then the angels wore leather and rode chrome! and the sj-san jose angels chapter had big bill boards around the gay bay area that read, no hope with dope! your local hells angels san jose.them was the good old days in the bay area! ex rat hells angels tony tait was the guy that got sonny barger pinched and that sent sonny to the fed joint in arizona for a few years.


immaturity on Nov 13, 2008 at 17:04:21 said:

those 2 nitwits kc and billy must still be in 7th grade. i will get you,you cant get laid,cold beers,cant get it up,you cant get hot broads etc etc childish shit if you ask me. both are not real men but immature boys tying to act tough behind a computer screen. both of you are keyboard commandos not bikers.


Susie on Nov 13, 2008 at 16:58:44 said:

I think that Billy guy is pulling your leg KC from Mass.


Cave Creek 81 on Nov 13, 2008 at 16:05:18 said:

Sounds like KC in Mass is a pretty tough hombre. he should stop by the Hells Angels hang out bar the Steel Horse saloon in north Phoenix Arizona on a friday or sat night after 9pm and he can meet me and my Hells Angels Cave Creek Brothers. grease your hips and bring your whips! the side alley awaits you KC IN MASS! ever been outwest and seen the real thing? dont do our talking for us! if you aint a HAMC CLUB MEMBER THEN KEEP YOUR YAP SHUT ABOUT US!if you got a problem with that you know where we are. COWBOY, SGT AT ARMS CAVE CREEK ARIZONA HELLS ANGELS.


billy on Nov 13, 2008 at 15:55:38 said:

KC yes i do make it up. and yes i dont ride bikes and i am gay and cant get it up. i am an unloved loser of society. will you love me please? but im a great story teller. if you knew who anything about the oakland hells angels you would know about sleepy jim jim brandes, sergey walton,kenny owen. you dont know diddly squat about the real thing. me? im from south boston dorchester,charletown a boston irish southie. prison? wallpole mass joint state prison 9 years armed bank robbery. eat me punk!


gone are the days on Nov 13, 2008 at 15:48:08 said:

I saw that a member of the Outlaws mc tesitied against 2 Hells Angels in the South Dakota shoot out bushwacking. in the old days this rat stuff did not happen between 1%ers clubs ever! gone are the real true old 1%er days in AMERICA! 1%ers do not testify against another 1%er even if they hate each other. you never work with the cops or the courts. you keep you mouth shut and you do your time quietly. todays new 1%er breed are pussies!


K.C. Massachusetts on Nov 13, 2008 at 15:17:43 said:

Bill, you are one funny dude,what do you and your pals ratso rizzo and sleepy jim or are these your othere made up names to make people believe that Ratting is a new way of life your an Idiot,and as far as you drinking cold beers and hanging with Hot Broads you probably cant even get it up,you sound like some washed up poser,who never gets laid,get a life and remember big brothers watching???


right on on Nov 13, 2008 at 14:50:21 said:

unforgivin, I agree with you %100. its a different breed these days, and me being 67 years old want nothing to do with this new breed of barbed wire tattood shaved headed evo riding bikers who have regular jobs? what tha? and very nice trimed goatees and credit cards etc. I love the old timers best.sonny barger,cisco,deakon proudfoot,johnny angel,rick talbot,kenny owen,rooster,mouldy marvin gilbert RIP, guinea RIP and the rest of oaklands older foothills crew. fuck this new biker website new motel room renting $500 buck leather vest shit and push button starter bikers of today! the true 1%er biker brotherhood is a thing of the past. in this day and age most is just put on and done simply for the buck$$! $bucks$ = brotherhood, when the $bucks$ are gone so is the so called brotherhood. the best days are behind us now and dead and gone on with time and the wind. us old guys can see and know the difference. the new breed dont get it and never will. even though they think they got it all figuired out. the old days were more real! now its posers who learned it all on tv,websites and biker books written by the real guys from the old days.


Unforgiven on Nov 13, 2008 at 12:32:31 said:

The facts are the days of the 1%er are over ratting is a cancer that has infected all the big 4 to some degree.when a younger new member who has little time in sees a older respected member turn informant and disapear into the clouds until indictments are handed down What do you think their gonna do when their numbers up take the easy wayout like about 75% of their heros blame the clubs themselves for their troubles all have let in to many crybaby hot headed idiots who dont even know how to shoot.And whatever happened to the badass ridged frame gang bikes they road these stock lazy boy recliners they all ride are a fucking disgrace to the proud history of the patches they wear.Any dentist weekend warrior can ride one of those cotton candy wagons. But only a true outlaw can kick start a big inch stroker shovel to life and foot clutch and jocky shift it thru traffic while all the citzen piss their pants.I just wish the reality lived up to the myth .But it doesnt I guess we really were born to lose.


ratos rizzo on Nov 13, 2008 at 11:40:42 said:

I would rat out anybody to save my as from going to prison! but thats just me. im a lowlife and will do whatever it takes to stay out of jail and stay free. rat them out, before they rat you out is my motto.in other words FTW! I really mean it and live it. im a survivor. its all about me and no one else. im in this for myself only.


rats in the 81 on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:02:31 said:

There has been rats and informants in the Hells Angels over the years. George Wethern,Sergey Walton,Tony Tait,and ATF agent Jay Dobyns and a few more. RATS ARE EVERYWHERE!and dont forget ATF agent Billy Queen who got into the Mongols. cops or not they are all snitches and rats! DTA DONT TRUST ANYONE!


sleepy jim jim on Nov 13, 2008 at 08:50:58 said:

kc it sounds like you learned it all from books,tv shows and websites, not by actually living in the real it. snitches are everywhere nowdays. why do you think the HA/81 are so careful of who they let into the club? because they could be rats,or informants. even theythe 81 know and understand this is a snitch society. dont be so stupid sounding and wise up!


San Quentin 80 to 89 on Nov 13, 2008 at 08:08:52 said:

I think what billy is saying is it does happen and people do snitch all the time. cops make most their cases against the bad guys on rats,snitches,informants etc. there is plenty of rats on the streets of the usa in 1%er bike clubs,the mob,and prison is full of rats. do somelong hard time and you will learnin prison that THE WALLS HAVE EARS, AND THERE ARE NO SECRETS IN PRISON! those are both old prison sayings. to think otherwise is foolish.


billy on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:58:53 said:

KC IN MASS. yes i condone snitching and being a rat to spare myself doing time in the joint! freedom and riding bikes and pretty broads beats sitting in the joint for years smelling sweaty tattood angry macho men with shives,spears,shanks. yes snitching and freedom is better than doin time in the joint. as you can see i think for myself. i take no orders from no one or no prison hacks. i do what i want. its called freedom! now kill me for being a RATA! and then you can go do time in the joint for murder being as it sounds like you like prison over freedom and being a rat.


KC Massachusetts on Nov 11, 2008 at 19:03:10 said:

Hey Billy Im not sure I understand you???Talkin about it and Living it are two different Things????What are you getting at??That these days its o.k. to Rat cause everyones doing it??I dont understand your response.Do you condone Snitching?



He could of got an 18 month suspended sentence if he just cooperated,no thanks Ma.


caballo diablo on Nov 11, 2008 at 08:01:10 said:

all i know is im free,im a man, i never did time in prison i never been a rat and ride 1 of my 3 bikes 365 days a year here in sunny warm arizona. better known as desert biker heaven! i stay out of site, out of mind. and the fuzz {the pigs} dont even know im alive. this is the way to live the secret 1%er biker life. dont draw attention to yourself. avoid jail, the pigs and hard time. its worked for me for 63 years so far. keep things on the down low.


billy on Nov 11, 2008 at 07:51:47 said:

HEY KC IN MASS, prisons,the streets,the mafai and 1%er bike clubs are full of rats and snitches in this day and age. years ago it was different. nowdays being rat and avoiding doing long hard time in the joint is why so many rat nowdays. who wants to spend their whole lives in the joint not being free? not many! so they rat and avoid doing long hard time. times are different nowdays than back in your daddys day. talkin bout it and living it are 2 differnt things. most people turn to buttermilk when the shit gets deep and there looking at years behind bars. that means no bikes, no broads, no cold beer etc. it does mean being around smelly convict guys 24/7 365. really now, who would choose that over their FREEDOM?


K.C. Massachusetts on Nov 09, 2008 at 18:06:27 said:

I keep reading about how you learn to be a man in the jail systems well let me tell you I grew up in a City in Mass. and learned how to be a man on the tough streets where I lived and still do,You learn your way as you go,I had a father that always told me never snitch that people don't respect snitches so I never snitched,my father always told me if someone hits me hit them back but just harder, and always stick up for your family and freinds wether there rite or wrong,and this is how I became who I am,I feel as though I am respected among the people I grew up with,I know that if your locked up you have nobody to help you but this is were a true man already has the true instincts,you don't need to learn this in the ABC's of the System its on the street or did all you guys just learn this now???Maybe things wouldn't be this way if some people had a little more respect than they show. and for you guys that talk all this Prison talk, it sounds like the only place you feel safe??Be a man and fight your Battle don't always have the answers nobody likes a know it all,and be ready if this is the life you want.
R.I.P. PAPA G. I wish I had the chance to meet you,say hello to my brother Bill in Heaven.


an ex offender on Nov 07, 2008 at 14:48:28 said:

sounds like that john doughhead guy has been watching to many of those prison shows on nat geo channel and history channel. he is all screwed up and confused. you can tell he aint done time by how he sez everything. it sounds all made up and very very far from the truth. it sounds more like a fiction story from his own bored lonely mind. if he rode bikes he wouldnt have so much time to be a daydreamer fiction writer like he is.


A BIKE RIDER on Nov 06, 2008 at 18:53:38 said:

WHAT DOES ANYTHING THAT JOHN DOE GUY SAID HAVE TO DO WITH RIDING BIKES DOWN THE OPEN ROAD WITH YOUR BROTHERS? HE SOUNDS LIKE A THUG TO ME NOT A BIKE RIDER.


The Brand- AB on Nov 06, 2008 at 17:56:19 said:

I never understood why a proud whiteman would want to degrade himself by saying he is a dirty white boy? why dirty? why not white proud and spic and span clean? im a proud clean white man not a boy.


try again on Nov 06, 2008 at 17:51:08 said:

I think john doe is really that pc patrol guy. im a telepathic psychic 1%er outlaw thats how I can tell. nice try rookie but it didnt work. you cant fool a psychic biker.


caballo diablo on Nov 06, 2008 at 17:47:26 said:

john doe,john deer what are you talking about man? its all sounds like speed crank meth mouth jibberish to me. or some sort of psuedo fake biker big talk. big deal so you did time. so did i. wallpole, mass joint. armed bank robbery. and san quentin california joint crank sales. i moved on from those days.im a retired 1%er biker gangster. but who really cares? nobody thats who.


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John Doe on Nov 05, 2008 at 19:43:13 said:

My Condolonces to The Guardado Family. All You street Smart Californians, The PC Punks, and The Old Rat Bastard, I am as Neutaral as Can Be, I am From The Right Coast, But I did 15 years in The Federal System, and Met quite a Few Left Coasters, and None of Them had any Street Smarts, and By the way I am a Dirty White Boy, the only PC in The Feds is The Hole for all you Punks, or The WITSEC where That Old Rat Bastard Was, That has died 1000X'S Already in His his Mind,Out of Fear, all 1% are not brought to the Same Prison, The Only Protection You will Have is if you Ride with Your Race, and Your Patch Dont Count in The Penn, you will only get the Respect you earn There, you dont bring it in From the World, and If your a Man most Likely you will wind up on the Opposite side of The Country Like I did, if your Not Real, put your Colors Down, and Move away From Your Brothers because 1/2 of them will Tell on you when the ATF Comes Nocking, Just Like The Old Rat Bastard Told on That Sonny Barger,and By The Way if he really is a Short Eyes, and he is respected in your Club, The Club is Fake, and not at all Honorable in a Crimminals eyes.and By The Way The Southern Mexicans are all Locked up in The Hole, because they Cant Live in Population in The Feds, Texas Syndicate Badly outnumbers them, and They Have Green Lights on them.


MC CULT on Nov 05, 2008 at 07:45:31 said:

MC stands for Motorcycle Cult right? they have all the trappings of a cult.


Bob Roberts ex HA Frisco on Nov 03, 2008 at 13:04:53 said:

The only people who know anything about the Hells Angels are current club members.and they aint talking or telling you nothing. everybody else needs to shut there yaps! I was the short haired redheaded guy who threw the triped out acid head off stage at Altamont 1969 in the movie Gimmie Shelter. Bob Roberts, retired Hells Angels Frisco!


Brendan Manning HAMC NYC on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:50:53 said:

I am a Hells Angels New York City Charter and I love the way our Hells Angels club supporters like to try do our talking for us about our lives and the club. like you guys really know anything about us other than what YOU READ. you really know nothing about us! you guys are the same as the people you yourself get down on and bitch at. be a HAMC club member before you try to do our talking for us!if you notice we dont do much talking about ourselves in the media? so why do you try to do it for us? Brendan Manning President of Hells Angels New York City 3rd Street Crew.


to graybear on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:41:20 said:

to graybar- greybear what ever, wow cool prison jail name from the biker world circa 1970s man. would you do time for someone elses murder? is that what your saying? i know i wouldnt. people like you talk big till the crap hits the fan then all your big talk turns to buttermilk.


george wethern on Nov 03, 2008 at 12:34:58 said:

graybar are you or were you ever a HAMC club member? I doubt it. me busted for weed? whats the big deal about that? thats everday life in the angels that and meth. yes I was a rat as I was not gonna do years in the joint for dead bodies that Sonny Barger and his Oakland pals dumped with out my knowing about them in my abandond wells on my land in Ukiah. there has been many rats in the club since my days. Sonny tried to pull a fast one on me to avoid getting pinched himself but I knew him to well and he still plays people like that to this day. I was smarter then anbd still am and I beat him to the punch just as Tony Tait did years later. I am 71 years old now and have had a better life ever since I left the club years and years ago. I have no regrets at all about what I did. I was not going to do time for Somny Barger and his pals- et-al crimes and murders. would you? they dumped dead bodies on my land didnt tell me about it and I got a nice $$$ book deal out of it and my freedom. I guess you must have read my book to. thanks for your support of an old smart rat and snitch ex Hells Angels Oakland. atleast I was a Hells Angels member once! were you? when you read or bought my book you also put money $$ into my pocket and you helped support a rat. thanks again for your support! thanks for helpng me out George Wethern and my book is A WAYWARD ANGEL! order it read it. its the real deal. ps. SONNY BARGER HAS SCREWED OVER A FEW EX HELLS ANGELS WHO QUIT OR RETIRED FROM THE CLUB. THATS HIS WAY. HE TRYS TO GET YOU BACK FOR QUITING THE CLUB. trust me I know him well. you guys dont. this is what he tried to do to me but it backfired. everything in my book is true. its all public court records in the Ukiah California police dept. Sonny Barger is still up to the same shanagins today as he was back then but he just has newer more naive younger club member victims to do it to. he is a con artist and a libra.


graybear on Nov 02, 2008 at 23:58:24 said:

hey george would you like to tell all of these folks how in the 70s you were busted for weed and the cops made you sweet a little bit. so you rated your brothers outover some bodys that the club ask to be buryed in ukiah so you could wirte a book about your time with the angles in the winttness protection program .if im not mistaken the title of the book is WAYWARD ANGEL.still liveing of the fat of orthers huh


Nails on Nov 02, 2008 at 18:28:36 said:

Hmmmmmm....Papa got into a fist fight at a bar in Sonoma County. I often wonder about these fights. Let's say hypothetical scenario a close friend gets harassed by a guy for whatever reason, the cops are called, can't prove anything or won't do anything, maybe Papa went to talk to him and the guy refused to leave her alone, there are more scenarios than this but the bottom line is - HE WAS STILL INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND HE WAS FIGHTING LIKE A MAN DOES. HE DIDN'T HAVE A GUN, HE DIDN'T PUNK OUT AND GET A WEAPON AND HE WAS THE ONE THE CRIME WAS COMMITTED AGAINST.

The ATF just happened to find the guy first. Beside the Mongols just got wiped out clean from an ATF investigation, what makes you all think that maybe the HA didn't follow their instincts in this and instead of doing something stupid in the midst of an investigation that led to a major bust, they just sat back and let the judicial wheels turn. Funny, you bitch when they break the law and you bitch and call them names when they follow it.

They can't win with you people and maybe if just once you people would stop acting like mindless idiots that the media controls and believe everything you read and spend some time with some of these guys and their ladies, you might see they have senses of humor, no more twisted than the cops on occasion, they know how to show concern and care, in fact some of them are smart enough to know that it's the little things that count, some of them are better parents than our illustrious news reporters, cops, governors, etc.

If and when any of you develop true freedom of thought, and want to discontinue allowing the media to control your opinions and thoughts with half truths, or incomplete facts, why don't you go up and say Hi to one of these guys or better yet my favorite thing and most likely because I am a woman, is to smile at them and watch them try to maintain composure if they're working.

I'm not saying they're saints but they aren't trash either.

Walk a mile in one of their shoes, then open your mouths again. Until then the only ones who look like punks, laughing stocks and idiots are you, because truly the cream of the crop in the biker world, will always talk to the Hells Angels first.


i agree on Nov 01, 2008 at 13:02:17 said:

yea that jay dobynsa guy is on tv running his big mouth about the club riding around on his bike plane as day and the club does nothing about him. it makes the angels look like they dont care anymore and you can do whatever you want to them and they dont do nothing about it. it makes the club look weak and small time amaturish. they even let the cops take care of the mongols for them. good move and its easy to let the atf do the hard work but it makes you guys look bad. lots of old time bike riders see the angels of today as a joke. but they wont say it to your face. this new breed of bikers will see it soon enough as time goes by. it comes with time and just wiseing up to the realitys of life to see the truth. the hells angels 08 are a leather clad joke!


why no TCB? on Nov 01, 2008 at 12:42:39 said:

How come the HAMC has not TCB on this ex ATF rat snitch Jay Dobyns who got alot of them busted in Arizona a few years ago? he lives north of Tucson near the town of Marana, Arizona rides his tall apehanger bike around Tucson and the surronding desert still looks the same has a website www.jayydobyns.com and does public speaking, has a new book coming out in feb 09 called, no angel by Jay Dobyns. in the old days of the HA they would have got this guy. nowdays he just rides around on his apehanger bike in and around Tucson Arizona like nothing ever happened and the HAMC do nothing about it. in the old days this guy would be dust or atleast got his ass whooped to jelly. the HAMC is gettin lazy and soft and tolerant of ex cops who get there brothers pinched nowdays. what ever happend to TCB?


to pc patrol on Nov 01, 2008 at 12:13:53 said:

did you know that big bad Hells Angels leader Sonny Barger was in pc or protective custody in the Maricopa County jail in Phoenix Arizona when he was arrested for beating on his wife noel and child sarah a few years ago? see the cops in the jail had to protect Sonny because he is and was a child and women beater and they didnt want him to get beat,stabed or killed in there jail. your way out of touch with what really goes on in the Hells Angels mc. this is the news they dont want you and the public to hear.


domestic violence on Nov 01, 2008 at 11:57:43 said:

I wonder if Margo O'Keefe or the Hells Angels loving public ever heard the story of how Hells Angels leader Sonny Barger got busted in Phoenix Arizona for beating his then wife Noel Barger and her daughter Sarah who was about 12 years old at the time. Sonny was busted for domestic violence takin to jail and was let out a few days later. nice mug shot Sonny. see even Sonny Barger beats women and small little girls. now the website people will delete soon cause they dont want the pubilc to know the truth about who and how they really are. go ahead delete this to. after all you gotta cover your tracks.


stupid angels on Nov 01, 2008 at 11:43:57 said:

one of my favorite how stupid hells angels are storys is how the president of the reno nevada nomad hells angels dave burgess. he owns a brothel makes good money, he drives to the usa run in his fancy rv pricey camper to the usa run in arkansas from reno with a bike trailer for his bike. which i thought they were suppose to ride there bikes to runs i thought not trailer them? anyway he gets pulled over for having expired plates on his bike trailer. a lazy and stupid move for a rich brothel owner and hells angels president if you ask me. the cops search the rv and find cocaine and kiddy porn on his computer. so now we have scene sorta of like a bad white trash episode of cops the tv show. they arrest dave for cocaine and kiddy porn and now he is in prison for kiddy porn for a long time just because he did not get new stickers for his bike trailer which is why the cops pulled him over in the first place. so i guess the hells angels are now letting kiddy-diddlers ,cho mo/child molesters into the club now? i wonder if dave is still an active member of the club? i hope they kicked him out in bad standing.even guys in prison hate cho mo- kiddy diddlers. this is what the hells angels mc have become nowdays. sloppy and dont TCB like the used to. they used to be cool years ago but nowdays they are a joke.now they are just a bunch of support us tee shirt salesmen at local biker bike shows and swap meets. no i wont say it to there faces. im smart i say it this way as i know they read this dribble. keeps me from getting an ass beating or getting stabbed or shot to death for opening my big mouth. after all i aint stupid. im smart i use this format instead its way safer and smarter to be a keyboard coward. live long be a keyboard coward not a tough guy. i dont have to prove nothin to nobody!


George Wethern on Nov 01, 2008 at 10:30:34 said:

BY THE WAY,ITS GEORGE WETHERN NOT WEATHERN.


its a sham on Nov 01, 2008 at 10:24:57 said:

how come there are no comments on here from any hells angels members about there dead brother? they cant write? its kind of strange if you ask me. not very much love being showed by his so called brothers if you ask me. its all a sham anyway all this brotherhood crap. itsall about money,drugs and power that hold them together. not love and brotherhood. take away the easy drugs, easy money and easy women from this lifestyle and you got no brotherhood. its all a sham. when the money goes bye bye so does the brotherhood. i used to be a member back in the 60s and 70s then i quit. hey sonny barger its your old pal george weathern still alive and doing well.we both me and sonny got the first diamond shaped 1%er tattoo on our bodys back in the day before anybody else. just ask ralph barger. thats what we used to call him back in oakland.


to pc patrol on Nov 01, 2008 at 09:49:33 said:

PC Patrol. The other guys story sounded better and more true to life than yours does. he talks the truth from the streets and prison the way it really is. yours sounds ego driven and you sound young and foolish.I am a Hells Angel member in Oakland, California I know what he is talking about. he makes sense, you talk shit! Rick Talbot Hells Angels Oakland California.


jimmy on Nov 01, 2008 at 09:38:06 said:

Im thinking margo got scared off dude.she must have gone back to eating bon bons in front of the tv and watching oprah winfrey. she didnt sound like a true biker trampette anyway. she sounded like she was all fluff to me that learned it all in a book ,computer or local bike show swapmeet hanging around the t shirt support booth as most of the newbies do nowdays. most dont ride bikes or actually know real hells angels.and some have never seen one in there whole lives. but they think they know and understand the club because they read about them on a computer website. this is the new biker club groupie,supporter world today. its sad huh?


BIKER NEWS , NET on Nov 01, 2008 at 09:25:10 said:

GO TO WWW.BIKERNEWS.NET TO READ THE NEVER ENDING STORYS OF HELLS ANGELS WHO BREAK LAWS IN THE USA AND THE WORLD DAY AFTER DAY YEAR AFTER YEAR. IT NEVER STOPS WITH THESE GUYS. THEY ARE ALL A JOKE. THEY ARE A CARTOON NOWDAYS OF A BUNCH OF IDIOTS THAT JUST GET BUSTED ALL DAY EVERYDAY FOR DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS. ITS FUNNY. THEY ARE THERE OWN WORST ENEMYS. WITH FRIENDS AND BROTHERS LIKE THESE WHO NEEDS ENEMYS? ITS LIKE THE 3 STOOGES ANYMORE WITH THESE GUYS. EXCEPT THEY ARE ALL STOOGES! SMART GUYS DONT GET BUSTED, SMART GUYS DONT GO TO PRISON. WE STAY FREE AND RIDE OUR BIKES AND OUR WOMEN. YOU CANT DO THAT A THE LOCAL STATE PRISON/JOINT. THEY MUST LIKE THE SMELL OF GUYS IN PRISON SENSE THEY SEEM TO SPEND ALOT OF THERE LIVES THERE.


there all gangs on Nov 01, 2008 at 09:10:43 said:

dont forget that this big nice loving teddy bear of a thug papa beat up some people in sonoma county california and was going to trial for that beating soon. but not now. yea a real nice guy if you like violent beaters! how come when crips and bloods gangs kill and beat people its bad and everybody hates them and calls them a gang? but when its hells angels its ok? they the hells angels must have been disrespected right? so it was ok to beat stab and kill the disrespector. its all bad folks. violence is wrong unless its need to defend your life. only put your body on someone elses when you want to give or intend love!


wisdom on Nov 01, 2008 at 08:57:22 said:

Hells Angels or Mongols it dont matter they are all Devils on 2 wheels! they are societys misfits and drug dealing meth addicted losers and convicts and ex convicts or soon to be a convict who claim to be bikers. real bikers ride bikes and go to work all week. {MOST HELLS ANGELS DONT WORK} real bikers do not sell drugs that destroy our american society and our way of life here in this country. they are like the mafai on 2 wheels or LA COSA NOSTRA ON 2 WHEELS! THEY QUIT BEING BIKERS 30 YEARS AGO, NOWDAYS THEY ARE JUST HOODS,BULLYS,REDNECKS,DRUG DEALERS AND SIMPLY LAZY CON ARTIST AND CRIMNALS! anybody who cant see this chooses to be a fool and is stupid,ignorant and lives in a bubble and a sheltered life. all this type needs is to be and the bad end of a Hells Angel beating boot dance to see the truth.once they beat you bloody or stabed you bloody you will then see the truth. PS.no they never have beatin me. im smart enough to stay away from them. im a wise old biker. i dont hang out with filthy smelly lazy bums who go around hurting good people! thats what gangs do after all aint it?


Grow Up on Nov 01, 2008 at 00:09:03 said:

Papa and several others were already being charged with beating people in bars. He was also convicted of beating innocent people in Laconia. He was a bully who hid behind his patch. He is not a person who has helped society but taken from it. He is not a victim but a aqggr4essor who got dealt with. I dont have any love for the Mongols either. They are all a joke.

Live by the sword die by the sword.


pc patrol on Oct 31, 2008 at 13:32:13 said:

attn:san jose mongol.so you are telling me that when you go to the joint the guards let you and your home boys stand behind them??sounds like you have spent time on the protective custody yard or (s.n.y).Im glad that you at least did not deny standing by the cops for protection.if your such a schooled down ganster from san jose why are you hanging around southerners??maybe that answers my question whe you guys wear brown in santa clara county jail.


history lesson 81 on Oct 31, 2008 at 08:13:05 said:

the hells angels started all this battle between the redneckson bikes back in the mid 1970s around 76,77 in san diego california when they machine gunned down a pack of mongols on the freeway on there bikes while on a bike run. then when the mongols went to bury there dead brothers from the freeway massacre the angels parked an old rambler car near the gravesite with a bomb in it and that blew up and hurt more mongols. so here we are 30 somthing years later fighting the same stupid battle over a piece of cloth on a mans back that sez california. pretty stupid huh? and a waste of life! the hells angels and mongols are just children stuck in mens bodies. but either way the hells angels started all this mess betwwen the angels and the mongols over 30 years ago. this is why papa got killed! its the hells angels and his own brothers fault that papa is dead for starting the angel mongol war 30 years ago.


huh? on Oct 30, 2008 at 21:27:45 said:

oh great, i dont think that is what they were saying. you got it wrong. that mongol who shot papa is glad he is dead and so are alot of other mongols. as an old Hells Angels member once said to me THEMS THA BREAKS MAN WHEN YOU ARE A HELLS ANGELS MEMBER, AN EARLY DEATH AND OR PRISON. HELLS ANGELS DON DAGO MGUIRE TOLD ME THAT YEARS AGO. did the angels change on us? karma? the Hells Angels got plenty of bad karama on them. look at all the bad stuff that happens to them day after day year after year. my life sure aint like that. i live a good clean life of fun with no drugs or crime. been there done that trip!


try jesus on Oct 30, 2008 at 19:35:20 said:

the devil took papa,satan,lucifer and his evil lifestyle took papa not a mongol. you live by the sword you die by the sword. he should have quit the club and become a born again christian and lived a christian life like some old ex hells angels members who have done so and are still alive helping others find there way threw the darkness in life. then he might have still been alive. choose jesus and the good way not satan and the evil way.


Bill Gates on Oct 30, 2008 at 19:21:01 said:

Bickering back and forth with such futilities as Keyboard Commando et al of the negative remarks, does nothing to bring Papa back.Anyone that new him loved him,anyone that didn't lost out.He was one hell of a man and died fighting for what he believed in. Just like our troops in Iraq. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.


angel crank and beer diet on Oct 30, 2008 at 19:18:54 said:

papa fought back and lost the fight. i guess he wasnt so tough after all if a mongol killed him. he must have been on a crank and beer diet. guys on that diet are not very healthy or good fighters. papa should have either carried a big bigger biggest knife he could have found and just stabed him as sonny barger likes to say. you mess with a hells angels you get stabed sonny allways sez. i guess the hells angels stabbing plan back fired this time. oh well, there will be other days. next time bring a gun and a bullit proof kevlar vest. and dont hang out in smelly dive bars in frisco after dark.


Bill Gates on Oct 30, 2008 at 19:06:15 said:

Bickering back and forth with such futilities as Keyboard Commando et al of the negative remarks, does nothing to bring Papa back.Anyone that new him loved him,anyone that didn't lost out.He was one hell of a man and died fighting for what he believed in. Just like our troops in Iraq. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.


life on Oct 30, 2008 at 18:36:31 said:

wolfman i have seen HAMC members pick on inocent people at bars many times. they are high on meth or drunk and start crap with some poor guy who is minding his own business. they say things like hey wanna suck on the end of my pistol? or that road out there is made out of guys like you! i have heard quite a few razzel dazzle angel lines out of HAs mouths over the years. they use that patch to intimidate and bully anyone they dont like the looks of. ugly or handsome or pretty. guys or girls. if you trust these guys you are a misguided fool. i allways thought ALL BIKERS WERE BROTHERS OF THE ROAD! what ever happened to that simple biker way of life from the 60s and 70s? the 1%er clubs have screwed it up for all bike riders nowdays. they hate life and try to mess up a good thing where ever they go. they are simply societys sad sack losers! what pitiful sad lives they live all paranoid and jumpy worried about cops,busts,prison,drugs,and death. sounds like a great way to waste our short little lives on this beautiful blue rock floating around the sun called LIFE ON EARTH!


Wolfman on Oct 30, 2008 at 18:14:54 said:

Let me first say you have our upmost condolences in your loss of Mark (PaPa)Guardado he will surely be missed.

Do we or do we not live in United States of America Home of the Brave and the Free and are supposed to have the (freedom)to ride with the motorcycle club of our choice. Being we are one piece patch family motorcycle club and a red & white support club we have to take a lot of shit from anti red & white motorcycle clubs. There is a lot of intimidation and politics in this area as most Motorcycle Clubs want to be the big bad stick on the block and beyond. I have been run off the road pulled over and questioned about my motorcycle club affiliation. When I identify myself with respect to others. I am allowed to go about my business only in the United States of America Home of the Brave and the Free.

The Wolfman


jim on Oct 30, 2008 at 17:48:25 said:

hey pc patrol. you allways keep your enemy the cops in front of you thats why and allways keep your eyes on them to. if you were street wise and con wise you would all ready know this. you must be a rookie. and by the way PC is not what they call it in the joint anymore that was 20 years ago. if you are PC patrol then either you are a hack aka prison guard or you have been in pc yourself if you are the pc patrol. either way you are not to street smart or con wise. get with the times!


Brian on Oct 30, 2008 at 17:19:54 said:

LOL @ Tom wtf are you stuck in the 70's this is 2008 almost 09 so we are going back 30yrs And the Mongols new what they were getting into when they put the California patch on well geuse what its taken 30yrs for there patch to be banned.Why because they are a bunch of low lifes and they don't deserve to wear it.The law has never even considered taking the HA patch away hmm I wonder why maybe because HA's are not what some ppl think they are.Well some are but I'd say most arent.I have many friends who are HA's and they are very cool ppl I know many ppl they have helped and went above and beyoned the call of duty. Any way Im not going to be stuck here telling you this obviously you have no clue and are stuck in the 70's SUPPORT 81-- HAMC Sonoma County !!!!!!!!!!1


Margo O'Keefe on Oct 30, 2008 at 17:10:57 said:

I am a 51 year old women who has known the 81 sence I was 12 years old and they have always been good people. TO THE MONGOL HOW SAID HE LIVES IN SAN JOSE, WELL LETS JUST SAY AT 51 IF I SAW YOU I WOULD LOVE TO LET YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU RAT PUNKS. SO IF YOU EVER SEE A OLD WOMEN IN YOU PATH YOU BETTER RUN .
Margo


joey d in the bronx on Oct 30, 2008 at 17:01:47 said:

if that guy is pc patrol does that make him a guard in the prison system? or a guy who has been in pc before? they dont call it pc no more anyway. that was 20 years ago. get with the times.


a thought on Oct 30, 2008 at 16:58:51 said:

just wonder? how did a big bad teddy bear hells angels named papa get beat and killed shot by a wimpy mongols anyway? does this mean the mongols are tougher and meaner than the hells angels? just wondering? you think by there bad rep that the hells angels allways come out on top.


Mongols mc on Oct 30, 2008 at 16:53:41 said:

Dear PC patrol. We Mongols stand behind the pigs to keep an eye on them thats why. any street smart 1%er biker would know this kind of street wise con wise prison street thinking info. allways have and keep your enemy in front of you! if you ever do time in prison you will learn these types of things rookie.you talk about pc but if you had ever done real timein the joint you would have known the answer to your own ignorant question. an ex offender/ex con would allready know to keep the cops/pigs or the hacks/guards in the joint in front of you at all times when out and about. next question please...........


pc partrol on Oct 30, 2008 at 16:01:02 said:

attn. mongol from s.j.why every time you guy's go to a flea market or a concert or a fund raiser for disabled children and not a mororcycle event you guys stand by the cop's???and why every time you go to jail you are placed into protective custody??.im just a bias observer.


Billy Queen on Oct 30, 2008 at 16:00:51 said:

You wanna play,you gotta pay!


the truth on Oct 30, 2008 at 15:46:54 said:

WOW!!


keyboard commando on Oct 30, 2008 at 15:43:30 said:

hey brandi did you know that the Hells Angels beat and sliced the throat of a single mother {CYNTHIA GARCIA} in Mesa Arizona and dumped her dead body in the desert outside of Phoenix Arizona? 2 ex mesa 81 members ratted out the other 3rd guy who was 81 he is still on the run from the cops. yea there real nice guys who beat and kill women who dont want to get gangbanged or f...ked by the dirty smelly slobs! your stupid and ignorant! dont forget about the time the Hells Angels killed ex 81 Billy Goat Grodalnski from Vallejo California up in Fort Bragg California in the 1970s. they killed billy his wife and his small daughter 5 yr old dallas grondalski by sliting her throat.and then burned the house down. i guess you werent born yet. that was back the 1970s. you sound like a young or old fool to me. when the last time one of your friends was murdered by the Hells Angels? i bet it hasnt happened to you yet. papa was murdered and it dont feel good does it? its even worse when a women gets murdered by the HAMC! ITS MORE BRUTAL AND BLOODY THATS WHY!


ex atf jay dobyns on Oct 30, 2008 at 15:25:09 said:

Its funny how the ATF had to do all the hard dirty work for the angels to get rid of the Mongols with that trademark thing.I remember back in the 1970s and 80s when Hells Angels TCB themselves and didnt let cops do the work for them. the good old days of Sandy Alexander and the Hells Angels forever movie types of 1984 at 77 east 3rd street NYC are a thing of the past. the angels best days are behind them now. nowdays the club is full of spoiled rich white surburban brats who never had to suffer a day in there lives. the Hells Angels bike club that used to be a club of real men is now just a memory of the past.


Brandi on Oct 30, 2008 at 14:37:57 said:

It is only natural that some big bad computer controversy will errupt in comments to any article written concerning the Hells Angels. Fortunately, Vega did an amazing job of presenting the story honorably and respectfully. Jack's right about the club's hesitance to speak with the media.

Papa was a kind person and I feel sorry for people who didn't have the priviledge of meeting him so that they could rememeber him for what he really was. I feel even worse for people who can't put stereotypes and pigeon holes aside and respect the dead. May Papa rest in peace.


ex atf agent jay dobyns on Oct 30, 2008 at 14:33:30 said:

The allmighty powerful 81 couldnt stop the Mongols so they had to get there friends down at the ATF to do it for them with the trademark thing. I bet the 81 loves the ATF now for doing the hard dirty work for them. Hells Angels used to TCB back in the good old days but not nowdays.they are now just a shadow/wimper of what they used to be in the 1970s and 80s and the 1984 Hells Angels forever movie days with Sandy Alexender in New York city at 77 e 3rd st. the good old days are over the HAMC! nowdays they have lost the plot and there souls to the new younger spoiled punk generation of white spolied rich kid surburban brats who never had it hard in there whole lives. you can have it and them! the good days are gone with the wind and time with the 81.


THE MESSENGER on Oct 30, 2008 at 14:06:56 said:

HEY ROD, THEMS THA BREAKS MAN, THATS AN OLD HAMC SAYING. DEATH AND PRISON COMES WITH THE LIFESTYLE THEY CHOSE TO LIVE. GET USED TO IT OR GO BACK TO YOUR MOMMAS HOUSE AND CRY.


Mongols mc on Oct 30, 2008 at 14:02:41 said:

Gee Rod, I think your wrong because I am a Mongols mc member and I still wear my Mongols patch here in SJ.and I am not dead and the 81 see me often out on my bike and they do nothing to me here in San Jose California. you live in a made up dream world of your own.


grindhouse on Oct 30, 2008 at 13:56:48 said:

the 2 idiots on here talking sound like geeky fools if you ask me. it should be deep voiced Hells Angels talking about his brother that he loved and respected not some sort of groupies/supporters doing the talking for them. thats lame man and disrespectful to papa to not have his own HAMC brothers talking about him. if they loved and respected there brother so much why didnt they talk? its all BS! THAT WE DONT TALK TO THE MEDIA CRAP. THEY ARE TO SCARED TO THATS WHY. so they get some gullible youngster loser groupies/supporters to do there talking for them. its pretty sad when your own brothers wont say good things about you after your dead. i allways thought Hells Angels did there own talking for themselves not some young kid non club members or broads. who knew there brother PAPA BETTER? HAMC MEMBERS? OR chicks and some young guy who is non club member?


Rod on Oct 30, 2008 at 11:06:08 said:

Those Mongols you refer to were told not to wear their colors in California, which is HAMC territory. They defied their orders and got what they deserved.
RIP Papa.


Wonder Warthog on Oct 30, 2008 at 10:38:24 said:

The best crank I ever got was from Hells Angels KO Kenny Owen Sergey Walton and Sleepy Jim Jim Brandes back around 1978-79 over in Oakland. back then they were the main crank dealers in California. nowdays its still the same. they still can get you the best crank and weed around. some things and guys never change.


THE MESSENGER on Oct 30, 2008 at 10:24:04 said:

HE MIGHT BE ALIVE TODAY IF HE WERE NOT A HELLS ANGELS MEMBER. THE KILLER MONGOL WOULD NOT HAVE TARGETED HIM IF HE WERE JUST YOUR AVERAGE JOE CITIZEN ON THE STREET.AN EARLY DEATH AND OR PRISON TIME GOES WITH THE LIFESTYLE THEY THE HELLS ANGELS CHOOSE TO LIVE. SO WHY SNIVEL? THEY CHOOSE HOW THEY WANT TO LIVE THERE LIVES. THEMS THA BREAKS MAN! AN OLD HELLS ANGELS MEMBER TOLD ME THAT ONCE ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO. IT GOES WITH THE LIFE WE CHOOSE LIVE. THEMS THA BREAKS, SO WHY SNIVEL?


Debbie on Oct 30, 2008 at 09:56:21 said:

Rest in Peace PaPa..I\\\'m gonna miss those great big hugs from you and your phone calls..Ill never forget you..love Debbie


w murray on Oct 30, 2008 at 08:30:44 said:

Thanks Papa for help in spreading meth and crack around the world. this good work by these angels is much apreciated, especially by the 1000,s of families destroyed by by the drugs. Also thank you for gun running, murder, prostitutes, etc... all much apreciated by your good neighbors. And thanks vanessa for letting us all know what a good guy this gangster leader is.

rest in hell Papa


Little Devil on Oct 30, 2008 at 07:06:04 said:

R.I.P Papa.My condolences to family,friends and the HAMC.
Regards,
Little Devil
Belgium
Europe


Jack Spencer on Oct 30, 2008 at 06:50:02 said:

Thank You for telling the truth. The Red and White would speak to the media more, if they were shown this kind of respect.


Ed on Oct 30, 2008 at 05:46:57 said:

I think people put a label on a person that they don't really know. Papa was the best and he was loyal to his friends and family. He looked for the best in people and would help anyone who needed it. He wasn't just a Hells Angel leader, he was a special person and my life will never be able to replace the friendship we shared.
Love you Papa


Sierra Alta on Oct 29, 2008 at 21:00:43 said:

Love & Miss You PaPa - RIP.


Sierra Alta on Oct 29, 2008 at 20:56:54 said:

Lose your temper and you lose a friend - lie and you lose yourself.


Aard on Oct 29, 2008 at 19:06:29 said:

All that is left are the impressions and memories one leaves behind.......... and Pappa was there when his Brothers and friends needed him - that is the Legacy.


Michael on Oct 29, 2008 at 19:02:19 said:

You are talking about something that you obviously have no real knowledge of. The bottom rocker has a much deeper meaning in motorcycle clubs than, \"Simply stating where (you) live.\" In fact, the bottom rocker has nothing to do with where you live. It is about territory and respect. Motorcycle clubs have a definite hierarchy and when the chain is not observed, there are consequences. Also, I think you are looking for a different word than coward, which according to the dictionary means, \"–noun
1. a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.
–adjective
2. lacking courage; very fearful or timid.
3. proceeding from or expressive of fear or timidity.\"

If anything, they are the exact opposite of cowardly. Cowardly is sitting at your keyboard and calling people who would feed you through a wood chipper and then sit back with a beer, \"Cowards\".


Joe on Oct 29, 2008 at 17:53:05 said:

I am so sick and tired of this "poor hells angels" crap, they are drug dealers, and cowards, if they are not cowards why did they murder two men and wound their wives on Interstate 15 Sept. 5th 1977 ? this is fact, one featherhead confessed to it. Then they bombed the funeral, also documented fact but they weren't satisfied with all that,next they defaced the headstones of their victims.
All because these men were MONGOLS MC and they had put on a bottom rocker that simply stated they lived in California.
So save your pity for someone that deserves it.
Joe

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